Sun release source code for Solaris 8

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From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
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Sun's releasing the source code to Solaris.  Take a look at
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/source/index.html for more
details.

The conditions look rather like the SCO ancient UNIX licences, but
it's *cheaper* ($75, which includes deliverables from Sun).  Warren,
is this ammunition to lobby SCO to drop the prices of Ancient UNIX
licenses?

Greg
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From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox@alcita.com>
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Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> writes:
> 
> The conditions look rather like the SCO ancient UNIX licences, but
> it's *cheaper* ($75, which includes deliverables from Sun).  Warren,
> is this ammunition to lobby SCO to drop the prices of Ancient UNIX
> licenses?

After looking at the site, it seems as though Sun is trying to prevent
licence holders from sharing code with other licence holders.  If this
is true, it would certainly make the Solaris licence less desirable to
hobbyists than the ancient UNIX licence, unfortunately.

--Mirian

Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:23:07 +1300
From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg@begemot.org>
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 08:00:57PM -0500, Mirian Crzig Lennox wrote:
> Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> writes:
> > 
> > The conditions look rather like the SCO ancient UNIX licences, but
> > it's *cheaper* ($75, which includes deliverables from Sun).  Warren,
> > is this ammunition to lobby SCO to drop the prices of Ancient UNIX
> > licenses?
> 
> After looking at the site, it seems as though Sun is trying to prevent
> licence holders from sharing code with other licence holders.  If this
> is true, it would certainly make the Solaris licence less desirable to
> hobbyists than the ancient UNIX licence, unfortunately.

You're right, as long as patches do contain portions of Solaris.
Everything that does so has to funnel trough Sun first, this can
be done by putting it onto their secure server. The restriction
is that you can't share it freely, everything must be visible to
Sun. This is slightly different from the original educational
license, which allowed sharing with peers bound by the same
license conditions.

I think, popularity of Solaris might rather be restricted by its
performance. I have run Solaris x86 on my desktop for a while for
evaluation purposes. I don't think you could tune it easily to
become as fast as a regular Linux or *BSD system. Apart from
that, it certainly is the dinosaur solution of the decade.

	Joerg
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---- Original Message -----
From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox@alcita.com>
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> Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> writes:
> >
> > The conditions look rather like the SCO ancient UNIX licences, but
> > it's *cheaper* ($75, which includes deliverables from Sun).  Warren,
> > is this ammunition to lobby SCO to drop the prices of Ancient UNIX
> > licenses?
>
> After looking at the site, it seems as though Sun is trying to prevent
> licence holders from sharing code with other licence holders.  If this
> is true, it would certainly make the Solaris licence less desirable to
> hobbyists than the ancient UNIX licence, unfortunately.

They don't "prevent" it, it seems that it is always steered by/at SUN.

>From the Webpage:

> If you want to make your source code modifications available to other
Solaris
> source code licensees, you can do so by passing the changes back to Sun,
and
> Sun will then post them to a secure website that you and other registered
users
> may access.

cheers,
emanuel

Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:57:36 +1030
From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
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On Wednesday, 26 January 2000 at 20:00:57 -0500, Mirian Crzig Lennox wrote:
> Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> writes:
>>
>> The conditions look rather like the SCO ancient UNIX licences, but
>> it's *cheaper* ($75, which includes deliverables from Sun).  Warren,
>> is this ammunition to lobby SCO to drop the prices of Ancient UNIX
>> licenses?
>
> After looking at the site, it seems as though Sun is trying to
> prevent licence holders from sharing code with other licence
> holders.

I'm not 100% sure what they mean here.  Nobody can stop you
distributing software you wrote as long as it doesn't contain
proprietary Sun code.  You could do that with diffs.

> If this is true, it would certainly make the Solaris licence less
> desirable to hobbyists than the ancient UNIX licence, unfortunately.

I think it is anyway.  For hobby purposes, I'd much rather use either
4.4BSD (for modern usage) or one of the old UNIXes.

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In article by Mirian Crzig Lennox:
> Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> writes:
> > 
> > The conditions look rather like the SCO ancient UNIX licences, but
> > it's *cheaper* ($75, which includes deliverables from Sun).  Warren,
> > is this ammunition to lobby SCO to drop the prices of Ancient UNIX
> > licenses?
> 
> After looking at the site, it seems as though Sun is trying to prevent
> licence holders from sharing code with other licence holders.  If this
> is true, it would certainly make the Solaris licence less desirable to
> hobbyists than the ancient UNIX licence, unfortunately.
> --Mirian

Currently out of town. Still, it might be worth asking SCO for a discount!
Does the license cover all of Solaris, or just the kernel??

Cheers,
	Warren