From: Greg Lehey <g...@lemis.com> Subject: Re: Sun release source code for Solaris 8 Date: 2000/01/27 Message-ID: <20000127153820.T53307_freebie.lemis.com@ns.sol.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 578179512 Approved: n...@ns.sol.net Sender: n...@ns.sol.net References: <200001270142.RAA00523_moe.2bsd.com@ns.sol.net> Organization: sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI X-To: "Joerg B. Micheel" <jo...@begemot.org> X-Cc: "Steven M. Schultz" <s...@moe.2bsd.com>, p...@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au, Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.chat On Thursday, 27 January 2000 at 18:04:06 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 02:56:02PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 26 January 2000 at 17:42:54 -0800, Steven M. Schultz wrote: >>>> From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <jo...@begemot.org> >>>> I think, popularity of Solaris might rather be restricted by its >>>> performance. I have run Solaris x86 on my desktop for a while for >>> >>> Agreed. I have run Solaris (only up thru 2.6 though) in its >>> "native" environment (Sun hardware) and even there the performance >>> is not anything one would write home about. The difference between >>> SunOS 4.1.x and Solaris 2.x is dramatic in favor on the older leaner >>> system. >> >> That's my experience too, but it may not be typical. For a large >> system with a large number of processes (e.g. ftp server) the >> comparison could be very different. > > That would make quite an interesting test. How much does > ftp.cdrom.com gain by running FreeBSD instead of Solaris ? Good question. My guess is that Solaris 2 just couldn't handle that many connections, but it compete reasonably well with fewer connections (say 1000). I'll copy the FreeBSD chat people and see what they think. For -chat: Sun have announced their intention to release the source code of Solaris [2.]8. We're discussing what this means. See http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/source/ for more details. Greg -- Finger g...@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
From: Jonathon McKitrick <j...@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Subject: Re: Sun release source code for Solaris 8 Date: 2000/01/27 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0001271255430.48240-100000@ dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org.newsgate.clinet.fi>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 578291812 Approved: freebsd-c...@clinet.fi Sender: n...@news.clinet.fi References: <20000127153820.T53307@freebie.lemis.com> To: Greg Lehey <g...@lemis.com> Delivered-To: freebsd-c...@freebsd.org Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Mailing list gatewayed to local news by news.clinet.fi MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: clinet.list.freebsd-chat X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Message too convoluted to tell who actually wrote this....but i believe Greg wrote the second group of lines.... >> That would make quite an interesting test. How much does >> ftp.cdrom.com gain by running FreeBSD instead of Solaris ? > >Good question. My guess is that Solaris 2 just couldn't handle that >many connections, but it compete reasonably well with fewer >connections (say 1000). I'll copy the FreeBSD chat people and see >what they think. Interestingly, i noticed recently that the response time on usa.net seemed much slower. It appears consistently so, either by ppp connection or by network/T1 line. A few months ago, netcraft showed that they were running FreeBSD. Guess what they are running now? Yup... SOlaris. I dropped them a line saying i noticed the speed difference. -=> jm <=- "I've done questionable things, also extraordinary things.... Revel in your time!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
From: Dann Lunsford <d...@greycat.com> Subject: Re: Sun release source code for Solaris 8 Date: 2000/01/28 Message-ID: <20000127064713.A53522@greycat.com.newsgate.clinet.fi>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 578541592 Approved: freebsd-c...@clinet.fi Sender: n...@news.clinet.fi References: <20000127153820.T53307@freebie.lemis.com> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0001271255430.48240-100000@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> To: freebsd-c...@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-c...@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Mailing list gatewayed to local news by news.clinet.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: clinet.list.freebsd-chat X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 01:02:23PM +0000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > > Interestingly, i noticed recently that the response time on usa.net > seemed much slower. It appears consistently so, either by ppp > connection or by network/T1 line. A few months ago, netcraft showed > that they were running FreeBSD. Guess what they are running > now? Yup... SOlaris. I dropped them a line saying i noticed the speed > difference. Why do you think a lot of people call it Slowlaris? Another illustration: A group at work uses a Sun box as a license server; it's also the only machine in that room (bunch of HP-UX stripped-down workstations) with a CD-reader attached (Hey this is state government, OK? Spend the taxpayers money on 4 Origin 2000's and a .5TB(!) disk array to run web servers, that's OK, but get CD's for workstations? No, too expensive!), and thus the only machine they can read their GIS data on. Old Sun CD finally dies. I tell them they need to order a new one, give them the specs. New reader arrives: It's a 36X drive, from some PC place, not Sun, It *is* SCSI, though, Hook it up, probe-scsi recognizes it correctly, Solaris gets overruns, tries to negotiate, fails, etc. Hook it to an identically configured, hardware-wise, Sun running OpenBSD (on my desk, natch), works great. Hook it to a different Sun running Slowlaris, errors abound. Several other admins I know report similar things. The Slowlaris drivers simply can't keep up, So now they're using the drive I originally had on *my* machine (a Sun drive), and I'm using their new drive. Happy ending! I suspect, when Sun releases the source for Slowlaris, that we will hear the sound of a lot of hackers getting physically sick from reading it. -- Dann Lunsford The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil d...@greycat.com is that men of good will do nothing. -- Cicero To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
From: Greg Lehey <g...@lemis.com> Subject: Re: Sun release source code for Solaris 8 Date: 2000/01/27 Message-ID: <20000128085930.C64142_freebie.lemis.com@ns.sol.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 578507073 Approved: n...@ns.sol.net Sender: n...@ns.sol.net References: <20000127153820.T53307_freebie.lemis.com@ns.sol.net> Organization: sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI X-To: Dann Lunsford <d...@greycat.com> X-Cc: freebsd-c...@FreeBSD.ORG Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.chat On Thursday, 27 January 2000 at 6:47:13 -0800, Dann Lunsford wrote: > > I suspect, when Sun releases the source for Slowlaris, that we will hear > the sound of a lot of hackers getting physically sick from reading it. I've seen it. It's not that bad. Greg -- Finger g...@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
From: Dann Lunsford <d...@greycat.com> Subject: Re: Sun release source code for Solaris 8 Date: 2000/01/28 Message-ID: <20000127204609.A55486_greycat.com@ns.sol.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 578620329 Approved: n...@ns.sol.net Sender: n...@ns.sol.net References: <20000127153820.T53307_freebie.lemis.com@ns.sol.net> Organization: sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI X-To: Greg Lehey <g...@lemis.com> X-Cc: freebsd-c...@FreeBSD.ORG Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.chat On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 08:59:30AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 27 January 2000 at 6:47:13 -0800, Dann Lunsford wrote: > > > > I suspect, when Sun releases the source for Slowlaris, that we will hear > > the sound of a lot of hackers getting physically sick from reading it. > > I've seen it. It's not that bad. > Hmmmm... OK. Coming from you, I'll accept that :-). Now, How Bad Is It? -- Dann Lunsford The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil d...@greycat.com is that men of good will do nothing. -- Cicero To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
From: Greg Lehey <g...@lemis.com> Subject: Re: Sun release source code for Solaris 8 Date: 2000/01/28 Message-ID: <20000128160131.H583_freebie.lemis.com@ns.sol.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 578630009 Approved: n...@ns.sol.net Sender: n...@ns.sol.net References: <20000127153820.T53307_freebie.lemis.com@ns.sol.net> Organization: sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI X-To: Dann Lunsford <d...@greycat.com> X-Cc: freebsd-c...@FreeBSD.ORG Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.chat On Thursday, 27 January 2000 at 20:46:09 -0800, Dann Lunsford wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 08:59:30AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thursday, 27 January 2000 at 6:47:13 -0800, Dann Lunsford wrote: >>> >>> I suspect, when Sun releases the source for Slowlaris, that we will hear >>> the sound of a lot of hackers getting physically sick from reading it. >> >> I've seen it. It's not that bad. >> > Hmmmm... OK. Coming from you, I'll accept that :-). Now, How Bad Is It? How should I describe it (without being sued :-)? I don't think you'd see that much difference from FreeBSD in most cases. I don't think Sun has a bde, but you'd really need to see the big picture to get upset by anything. Any particular source you'd like me to compare? Bear in mind that the source tree layout is very different, and it obviously doesn't make much sense to compare something imported from Berkeley, but if you point to a specific functionality, I'll take a look. Greg -- Finger g...@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
From: Mike Mann <m...@kempston.net> Subject: Solaris 8 is almost free (with source code) Date: 2000/01/29 Message-ID: <THEk4.15101$UL1.327519@nnrp4.clara.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 579197887 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 949163891 212.126.142.140 (Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:38:11 GMT) Organization: Switched on in Kempston MIME-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:38:11 GMT Newsgroups: demon.ip.support.unix Sun have announced that Solaris 8 will be released on March 5th with release of the source code on May 3rd. From Solaris 8, Sun are no longer charging licensing fees for Solaris or for the source code: the OS and its source code is available for personal and commercial use at no charge other than the cost of media and shipping. More information at: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/cover/sol8.html http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/index.html Regards, Mike. -- Solaris on Intel: http://www.kempston.net/solaris/ PGP public key available by mail from p...@kempston.net