Path: sparky!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!network.ucsd.edu!nic!richter From: rich...@nic.cerf.net (Adam J. Richter) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,alt.cd-rom Subject: 4.4BSD-alpha CDROM Keywords: cdrom Message-ID: <2278@nic.cerf.net> Date: 9 Jul 92 10:18:07 GMT Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd Organization: Yggdrasil Computing Infrastructure Corporation Lines: 40 CSRG is supposed to release the 4.4-alpha tape in the next week or so. To raise money, CSRG is going to charge $1,000 for a tape, and they've asked a number of major FTP sites not to make the tape available for a while so that companies will actually buy it. On one hand, there seems to be a consensus on this group that additional funding for CSRG would be money well spent. On the other hand, I suspect that there are a lot people who would like to get the 4.4-alpha distribution, but who cannot justify spending a thousand dollars for the tape. Fortunately, I have a plan. My company, Yggdrasil Computing Infrastructure Corp., will sell a 4.4-alpha CDROM and give CSRG 60% of the sales revenue from this CDROM until November 1st. At $100 each, this CDROM will allow people to contribute to CSRG while, at the same time, getting something tangible in return. Maybe I'll thrown in a T-shirt with deal if I can think of a snappy slogan for it. In order to avoid undercutting CSRG, company sites with more than twenty employees will be required to buy a minimum of 15 CD's. Hopefully this should help fund CSRG while reducing the annoyance of not having 4.4-alpha available for FTP. At the moment, I plan to make the CDROM simply contain the compressed tar file of the distribution and a README file. If there is enough interest I could make an unpacked directory tree that was compliant with ISO9660 level 2 for non-DOS machines, but I'd still have to change some of the file names to make them legal for ISO9660. If you have any suggestions or comments about the plan that I've outlined, send me email. -- Adam J. Richter 409 Evelyn Avenue, Apt. 312 rich...@cerf.net Albany, CA 94706 (510)528-3209 Another member of the League for Programming Freedom (lea...@prep.ai.mit.edu).
Path: sparky!uunet!pmafire!news.dell.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu! zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!network.ucsd.edu!nic!richter From: rich...@nic.cerf.net (Adam J. Richter) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Subject: Re: 4.4BSD-alpha CDROM Keywords: cdrom Message-ID: <2304@nic.cerf.net> Date: 10 Jul 92 18:17:57 GMT References: <2278@nic.cerf.net> Organization: Yggdrasil Computing Infrastructure Corporation Lines: 46 In article <2...@nic.cerf.net> rich...@nic.cerf.net I wrote: > My company, Yggdrasil Computing Infrastructure Corp., will >sell a 4.4-alpha CDROM and give CSRG 60% of the sales revenue from >this CDROM until November 1st. At $100 each, [...] I got 15 responses to this proposal, mostly of the form "I might buy one." Since I didn't ask everyone who might be interested to send me email, the amount of mail that I got suggests to me that there are a number of people who would find the CDROM useful, but that there aren't hordes of folks who would buy. I think that Yggdrasil stands to lose a lot of money from the CDROM offer as it stands, so I'm afraid I have to backpedal a bit. Yggdrasil will still donate 60% of gross sales for the CDROM to CSRG, but the price of the 4.4-alpha tape will be deducted from this donation. (This moves the estimated break-even point from 72 discs 43 discs.) I should mention a few points to demonstrate that the philanthropic aspect of this project have not been compromised too much: 1. CSRG still starts getting money beyond the $1k for the tape long before Yggdrasil breaks even. 2. CSRG gets at least $1k for the tape, no matter what happens, although I'm obviously betting a lot of money that CSRG will get more than just the $1k. 3. In a sense, there will still be $60 of CSRG money paired to every CDROM purchased. 4. The CDROM production costs still come entirely from Yggdrasil's 40%. This change is necessary in order to make the project possible. Otherwise, it would be too likely to lose too much money. --Adam -- Adam J. Richter 409 Evelyn Avenue, Apt. 312 rich...@cerf.net Albany, CA 94706 (510)528-3209 Another member of the League for Programming Freedom (lea...@prep.ai.mit.edu).
Path: sparky!uunet!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!cs.titech!titccy.cc.titech!necom830! mohta From: mo...@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,fj.unix Subject: Re: 4.4BSD-alpha CDROM Keywords: cdrom Message-ID: <1760@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> Date: 11 Jul 92 10:40:29 GMT References: <2278@nic.cerf.net> Sender: n...@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd Organization: Tokyo Institute of Technology Lines: 34 In article <2...@nic.cerf.net> rich...@nic.cerf.net (Adam J. Richter) writes: > CSRG is supposed to release the 4.4-alpha tape in the next >week or so. To raise money, CSRG is going to charge $1,000 for a >tape, and they've asked a number of major FTP sites not to make the >tape available for a while so that companies will actually buy it. On 7/9, at the Conference of Japan UNIX Society, there was a BOF meeting on BSD issues. There, Keith Bostic, one of the foreign guests, said full BSD4.4 tape will be charged $2,000 and could be delivered to those who have 32V or upper AT&T license, while freely distributable BSD4.4-light, which includes 90% of full 4.4, will be delivered at $1,000 without any license. Among the participants of the BOF meeting, there are 35 people who will willingly pay $1,000 to get a copy of 4.4-light. Thus, it was decided to first collect money, and send the money to BSD leaving minimal amount to produce CDROM. Then, after 4.4-light is released, I receive a copy, add export restricted DES part, create copies and deliver CDROMs. As I can produce more copies cheaply, I can sell them worldwide and send all profit to CSRG. > My company, Yggdrasil Computing Infrastructure Corp., In which country is your company located? If you are in US, you can't export anything which includes DES. Masataka Ohta
Path: sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu! rutgers!network.ucsd.edu!nic!richter From: rich...@nic.cerf.net (Adam J. Richter) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Subject: Re: 4.4BSD-alpha CDROM Keywords: cdrom Message-ID: <2311@nic.cerf.net> Date: 11 Jul 92 20:00:44 GMT Article-I.D.: nic.2311 References: <2278@nic.cerf.net> <1760@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> Organization: Yggdrasil Computing Infrastructure Corporation Lines: 20 In article <1...@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> mo...@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes: >If you are in US, you can't export anything which includes DES. On Friday, I had a conference call with the company's outside counsel and his "export expert" about exporting to Canada. As I had heard elsewhere, the regulations have been changed so that password authentication is no longer considered munitions, at least for the purpose of exporting to Canada. You just have to fill out a form at the post office when you mail the thing. I think that the business about password authentication no longer being considered munitions applies to all exports and not just exports to Canada, but I'll try to get an authoritative answer on Monday. -- Adam J. Richter 409 Evelyn Avenue, Apt. 312 rich...@cerf.net Albany, CA 94706 (510)528-3209 Another member of the League for Programming Freedom (lea...@prep.ai.mit.edu).
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd Path: sparky!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!pasteur!hermes.Berkeley.EDU!bostic From: bos...@hermes.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Bostic) Subject: Re: 4.4BSD-alpha CDROM Message-ID: <1992Jul13.232742.11206@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Keywords: cdrom Sender: n...@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California at Berkeley References: <2278@nic.cerf.net> <1760@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 23:27:42 GMT Lines: 33 In article <1...@titccy.cc.titech.ac.jp> mo...@necom830.cc.titech.ac.jp (Masataka Ohta) writes: >In article <2...@nic.cerf.net> > rich...@nic.cerf.net (Adam J. Richter) writes: > >> CSRG is supposed to release the 4.4-alpha tape in the next >>week or so. To raise money, CSRG is going to charge $1,000 for a >>tape, and they've asked a number of major FTP sites not to make the >>tape available for a while so that companies will actually buy it. > >On 7/9, at the Conference of Japan UNIX Society, there was a BOF meeting >on BSD issues. > >There, Keith Bostic, one of the foreign guests, said full BSD4.4 tape will >be charged $2,000 and could be delivered to those who have 32V or upper >AT&T license, while freely distributable BSD4.4-light, which includes 90% >of full 4.4, will be delivered at $1,000 without any license. Unfortunately, our original plan of distributing the 4.4BSD alpha tape in both USL licensed and freely redistributable forms (4.4BSD-Lite alpha) is not going to be possible. The University has decided that further "administrative review" of 4.4BSD-Lite alpha is necessary before it can be released. This means that the various efforts to make it available on CDROM will have to be postponed. We confidently expect that the final distribution will be available in the two forms, as we have previously stated. Additionally, if the administrative review is completed quickly we will release 4.4BSD-Lite alpha as well. Keith Bostic Kirk McKusick