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From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus)
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Subject: Thoughts on Nautilus
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First of all, thanks to the crew for making such great progress on
Nautilus. There are a couple of thoughts by me on this neat
application.
1. Don't make this a clone of Windows 98's IE-"enhanced" Explorer. It
looks like it's going that way.
2. Don't make it a clone of Konqueror, either. 8)
3. Does "hyperbola" really display a hyperbolic treeview or is it just
a fancy name for a component? If the second is the case, I think
there should be a hyperbolic treeview. That would be a very nice
feature and so far I know of no file manager that features one.
4. Maybe Nautilus should be able to use any kind of Bonobo component
as a "view". You could edit Gnumeric spreadsheets or other documents
inline, inside the Nautilus view pane. For someone who wants to add
finishing touches to twenty files without popping windows up all
the time, this could be a killer feature.
5. Does it handle Gnome help URLs yet? I wasn't able to get at any
help page.
mawa
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Matthias Warkus wrote:
> First of all, thanks to the crew for making such great progress on
> Nautilus. There are a couple of thoughts by me on this neat
> application.
>
> 1. Don't make this a clone of Windows 98's IE-"enhanced" Explorer. It
> looks like it's going that way.
>
> 2. Don't make it a clone of Konqueror, either. 8)
>
> 3. Does "hyperbola" really display a hyperbolic treeview or is it just
> a fancy name for a component? If the second is the case, I think
> there should be a hyperbolic treeview. That would be a very nice
> feature and so far I know of no file manager that features one.
>
> 4. Maybe Nautilus should be able to use any kind of Bonobo component
> as a "view". You could edit Gnumeric spreadsheets or other documents
> inline, inside the Nautilus view pane. For someone who wants to add
> finishing touches to twenty files without popping windows up all
> the time, this could be a killer feature.
>
Been thinking about this. With bonobo, is there even any reason anymore to
have a base app and then embed stuff into it? aka, have gnumeric as a
stand alone app that can embed other bonobo objects into itself?
Why not create a standard bonobo file format, and use the file manager as
the base. then, you just gota double click a bonobo file in the file
manager and it comes up inside with all the embedables in place. (just an
idea)
> 5. Does it handle Gnome help URLs yet? I wasn't able to get at any
> help page.
>
> mawa
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> From: "James M. Cape" <jcape@jcinteractive.com>
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> bob@cs.csoft.net wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Matthias Warkus wrote:
> > > 4. Maybe Nautilus should be able to use any kind of Bonobo component
> > > as a "view". You could edit Gnumeric spreadsheets or other documents
> > > inline, inside the Nautilus view pane. For someone who wants to add
> >
> > Been thinking about this. With bonobo, is there even any reason anymore to
> > have a base app and then embed stuff into it? aka, have gnumeric as a
>
> Well, the UI is different for each app. Gnumeric has it's own set of
There's also the fact that not all of us want to run a file manager.
If I have to run Nautilus in order to use any GNOME apps, I'm not
going to be happy.
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I have been looking all over gnome.org, but I cannot find anything on
Nautilus.
Where is it?
BTW, it found be nice if gnome.org had some kind of search facility
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allbery <allbery+@ece.cmu.edu> writes:
> There's also the fact that not all of us want to run a file manager.
> If I have to run Nautilus in order to use any GNOME apps, I'm not
> going to be happy.
>
"Nautilus" per se isn't a file manager it's just a generic application
shell, so it's as legitimate a way to implement an app as any (though
I share James Cape's UI concerns for all nontrivial apps).
The desktop icons etc. will be independently turn-offable.
Havoc
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"Rene' Seindal" <rene@seindal.dk> writes:
> I have been looking all over gnome.org, but I cannot find anything on
> Nautilus.
> Where is it?
>
It is a totally uncompilable piece of in-development junk that you
don't want unless you already know how to find it and how to figure
out how to compile it. ;-)
Havoc
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On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 04:02:02PM -0500, Havoc Pennington wrote:
>
> "Rene' Seindal" <rene@seindal.dk> writes:
> > I have been looking all over gnome.org, but I cannot find anything on
> > Nautilus.
> > Where is it?
> >
>
> It is a totally uncompilable piece of in-development junk that you
> don't want unless you already know how to find it and how to figure
> out how to compile it. ;-)
I certify <grin/> !
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Matthias Warkus wrote:
> 1. Don't make this a clone of Windows 98's IE-"enhanced" Explorer. It
> looks like it's going that way.
>
> 2. Don't make it a clone of Konqueror, either. 8)
I completely agree. I was disturbed to see a screenshot that looked
identical to the IE-"enhanced" Windows Explorer. I have yet to meet
anyone who truly thought that this feature increased their productivity.
Rather, it slows Windows down tremendously and is a colossal waste of
screen real estate. I mean, why should a folder with 5 files in it take
up a quarter of my screen at 1024x768 resolution?
Why are the UI people settling only for being as good as Windows? No one
would deny that the Windows GUI leaves a lot of room for improvement. If
any GUI is worth cloning, Windows certainly isn't it. If you're just
going to clone someone else's work, why don't you look at OS/2's WPS?
Finally, it is far more important to have an interface that's powerful
and easy to use than it is to have an interface that's simply familiar.
If the GUI is of high quality, it won't matter that it's unfamiliar,
because people will be able to quickly figure it out.
Andrew
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Andrew Post <apost@cbmi.upmc.edu> writes:
> I completely agree. I was disturbed to see a screenshot that looked
What screenshot? The program barely runs. Do you mean the mockups on
the UI hit page? That isn't a real program.
> Why are the UI people settling only for being as good as Windows? No one
> would deny that the Windows GUI leaves a lot of room for improvement. If
>
Don't worry, Nautilus will be cool. You'll see if you wait a bit.
Havoc