From alves@twitch.eng.cp.net
Received: (qmail 7941 invoked from network); 9 Jan 1999 02:03:26 -0000
Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239)
by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 1999 02:03:26 -0000
Received: from twitch.eng.cp.net (twitch.hungry.com [199.181.107.56])
by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24401;
Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:43:11 -0500
Received: (from alves@localhost)
by twitch.eng.cp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11751;
Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:43:30 -0800 (PST)
(envelope-from alves)
Sender: alves@twitch.eng.cp.net
To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gwp@rufus.w3.org, gnome-list@gnome.org
Subject: gwp.word.processor.0.3.2.released
From: Seth Alves <alves@hungry.com>
Date: 08 Jan 1999 17:43:29 -0800
Message-ID: <87g19lqkzi.fsf@twitch.eng.cp.net>
Lines: 30
X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/Emacs 20.2
gwp-0.3.2.tar.gz is available at
ftp://ftp.hungry.com/pub/hungry/gwp/
this is mostly a bug-fix release. new since 0.3.1:
* added a "debug mode" checkbox under preferences. when
checked, warnings will abort (); otherwise they wont.
* added a "units" selector to preferences dialog. the rulers
will use this setting.
* the default background is now off-white. (everyone thought
grey was to dreary).
bug fixes:
* possible fix for the "can't find font" problem while printing.
* right clicks on a list bullet will now pop up the list menu.
* insert dialog will recognize .txt files as ascii.
* when fastdraw=t, clicking the mouse doesn't leave
cursor droppings.
* numerous other small bug fixes
-seth
From rebecca.ore@op.net
Received: (qmail 23870 invoked from network); 9 Jan 1999 23:49:38 -0000
Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239)
by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 1999 23:49:38 -0000
Received: from ogoense.net (ogoense.net [209.152.195.21])
by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22412
for <gnome-list@gnome.org>; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:28:51 -0500
Received: (from rebecca@localhost)
by ogoense.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA02441
for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:48:46 -0500
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:48:45 -0500
From: Rebecca Ore <rebecca.ore@op.net>
To: gnome-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: gwp.word.processor.0.3.2.released
Message-ID: <19990109184845.B1971@ogoense.net>
Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org
References: <87g19lqkzi.fsf@twitch.eng.cp.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i
In-Reply-To: <87g19lqkzi.fsf@twitch.eng.cp.net>;
from Seth Alves on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 05:43:29PM -0800
On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 05:43:29PM -0800, Seth Alves wrote:
>
> gwp-0.3.2.tar.gz is available at
>
> ftp://ftp.hungry.com/pub/hungry/gwp/
>
> this is mostly a bug-fix release. new since 0.3.1:
>
> * added a "debug mode" checkbox under preferences. when
> checked, warnings will abort (); otherwise they wont.
>
> * added a "units" selector to preferences dialog. the rulers
> will use this setting.
>
> * the default background is now off-white. (everyone thought
> grey was to dreary).
>
> bug fixes:
>
> * possible fix for the "can't find font" problem while printing.
>
> * right clicks on a list bullet will now pop up the list menu.
>
> * insert dialog will recognize .txt files as ascii.
>
> * when fastdraw=t, clicking the mouse doesn't leave
> cursor droppings.
>
> * numerous other small bug fixes
>
> -seth
>
Could someone who knows more about make than Seth or I help me through
this one please? I was beginning to get involved with a wp project when
Seth asked us to honor his work -- and I've been quite anxious to see
either a port of Maxwell, which is the wp I still use in Linux, or
something better than Maxwell in Gnome or KDE. I haven't been able to
build gnome-print and don't have cvs set up, so have tried the jimpick
snapshots:
Here is what happens:
./configure: line 521: `AM_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)'
[rebecca@ogoense gnome-print]$ ./autogen.sh
--with-gnome-prefix=/usr/local/
processing .
Running libtoolize...
You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to
`aclocal.m4'.
Running aclocal -I macros ...
aclocal: macros/linger.m4: 4: duplicated macro `AC_STRUCT_LINGER'
aclocal: configure.in: 15: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library
aclocal: configure.in: 15: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library
Running autoheader...
Running automake --gnu ...
Makefile.am:43: variable `GNOME_LIBDIR' not defined
Makefile.am:43: variable `GNOMEUI_LIBS' not defined
Makefile.am:43: variable `INTLLIBS' not defined
Running autoconf ...
Running ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-compile-warnings
--with-gnome-prefix=/usr/local/ ...
loading cache ./config.cache
./configure: line 521: syntax error near unexpected token
`AM_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)'
./configure: line 521: `AM_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)'
[rebecca@ogoense gnome-print]$
I am not sure where I should be adding the contents of
/usr/share.../libtool.m4. I tried adding it to macros and tried running
this again:
[rebecca@ogoense gnome-print]$ ./autogen.sh
**Warning**: I am going to run `configure' with no arguments.
If you wish to pass any to it, please specify them on the
`./autogen.sh' command line.
processing .
Running libtoolize...
You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to
`aclocal.m4'.
Running aclocal -I macros ...
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 25: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL'
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 91: duplicated macro `AM_ENABLE_SHARED'
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 117: duplicated macro `AM_DISABLE_SHARED'
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 121: duplicated macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC'
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 128: duplicated macro `AM_ENABLE_STATIC'
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 155: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_LD'
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 218: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_LD_GNU'
aclocal: macros/libtool.m4: 229: duplicated macro `AM_PROG_NM'
aclocal: macros/linger.m4: 4: duplicated macro `AC_STRUCT_LINGER'
aclocal: configure.in: 15: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library
aclocal: configure.in: 15: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library
Running autoheader...
Running automake --gnu ...
Makefile.am:43: variable `GNOME_LIBDIR' not defined
Makefile.am:43: variable `GNOMEUI_LIBS' not defined
Makefile.am:43: variable `INTLLIBS' not defined
Running autoconf ...
Running ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-compile-warnings
...
loading cache ./config.cache
./configure: line 521: syntax error near unexpected token
`AM_CONFIG_HEADER(conf
ig.h)'
./configure: line 521: `AM_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h)'
[rebecca@ogoense gnome-print]$
If anyone would like try porting Maxwell to Gnome, I would be quite
happy to do beta testing for that if I can't get this working. Maxwell
appears to use lp(r) for its print command, ispell for spell checking,
and grep for search, but I understand that it's almost impossible to
compile and is linked with Motif libraries. I'm presently using a
Maxwell precompiled binary since it reads and write rfts that Word can
read (my publisher said they'd take any format, but I don't really think
they really meant that since Hearst limits office machines to MS Office
installed by Hearst IT staff only).
Maxwell was put under GPL in the spring.
And no, I cannot compile it either.
--
Rebecca Ore
From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx
Received: (qmail 868 invoked from network); 10 Jan 1999 06:12:41 -0000
Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239)
by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 1999 06:12:41 -0000
Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx
[132.248.29.92])
by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA00677
for <gnome-list@gnome.org>; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:51:53 -0500
Received: (from miguel@localhost)
by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA29801;
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:55:31 -0600
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:55:31 -0600
Message-Id: <199901100555.XAA29801@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx>
From: Miguel de Icaza <miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx>
To: rebecca.ore@op.net
CC: gnome-list@gnome.org
In-reply-to: <19990109184845.B1971@ogoense.net> (message from Rebecca Ore on
Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:48:45 -0500)
Subject: Re: gwp.word.processor.0.3.2.released
X-Info: When in doubt, blame the network
References: <87g19lqkzi.fsf@twitch.eng.cp.net> <19990109184845.B1971@ogoense.net>
Hello Rebecca,
> Could someone who knows more about make than Seth or I help me through
> this one please? I was beginning to get involved with a wp project when
> Seth asked us to honor his work -- and I've been quite anxious to see
> either a port of Maxwell, which is the wp I still use in Linux, or
> something better than Maxwell in Gnome or KDE. I haven't been able to
> build gnome-print and don't have cvs set up, so have tried the jimpick
> snapshots:
The fix is very simple. Make sure you set:
export ACLOCAL_FLAGS="-I /your-gnome-prefix/share/aclocal/"
before you run autogen.sh.
Please note that autogen.sh is intended to be used by CVS users, end
users of the tarball (I know, it is not released, will be released,
rsn, as soon as I get raph's permission to do so).
Miguel.
From rebecca.ore@op.net
Received: (qmail 9810 invoked from network); 10 Jan 1999 08:12:57 -0000
Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239)
by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 1999 08:12:57 -0000
Received: from ogoense.net (static-23.blackbox.netaxs.com [207.106.50.23] (may be forged))
by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA03857
for <gnome-list@gnome.org>; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:52:06 -0500
Received: (from rebecca@localhost)
by ogoense.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA05641
for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:12:07 -0500
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:12:06 -0500
From: Rebecca Ore <rebecca.ore@op.net>
To: gnome-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: gwp.word.processor.0.3.2.released
Message-ID: <19990110031206.B5592@ogoense.net>
Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org
References: <87g19lqkzi.fsf@twitch.eng.cp.net> <19990109184845.B1971@ogoense.net>
<199901100555.XAA29801@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i
In-Reply-To: <199901100555.XAA29801@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx>;
from Miguel de Icaza on Sat, Jan 09, 1999 at 11:55:31PM -0600
On Sat, Jan 09, 1999 at 11:55:31PM -0600, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>
> Hello Rebecca,
>
>
> export ACLOCAL_FLAGS="-I /your-gnome-prefix/share/aclocal/"
>
> before you run autogen.sh.
I've tried setting this as part of the command line and I've tried
setting this in /etc/profile, but no go. Should I be setting this
anywhere else?
>
> Please note that autogen.sh is intended to be used by CVS users, end
> users of the tarball (I know, it is not released, will be released,
> rsn, as soon as I get raph's permission to do so).
>
It seems a bit odd, then to release tarballs of anything that requires
things that themselves are not released as tarballs. If one of the
Gnome goals is to come up with an enterprise desk top, the word
processing program is key to it.
I've been having some arguments on another list about what Open Source
is and who it should be for, and why nobody should care about end users
who aren't programmers who can patch the bugs they find. My feeling on
that is then all that will result in are more tools and toys for
programmers and systems admins, which is wonderful in its own way. At
which point, I'll wait for the tarballs and just do my research for the
novel by observing and all that.
And I know that you (collectively) had some criticism from another tarballista,
so maybe everyone is a bit touchy now.
But either this is for the traditional Open Source people and it's tools
and a desktop for making more tools and more desktops, or it's also
aimed at non-programming users. If so, the most critical programs for
those users are the word processing program, email, package managing tools
(gnorpm is great, thanks), and the spread sheet.
One reason I got involved in this is that often I found I'd download
programs and if they were buggy, I wouldn't say anything, just delete
them. Eventually, I thought it would be better if I told the developers
about the bugs. Sometimes, the program wasn't quite there; sometimes
I'd mis-managed things; sometimes the bug was fixed in the next release.
No, I can't offer patches. On another list, I went through this with
the chief maintainer, who said that he valued a good bug report better
than a mediocre patch. I think we're willing to be the tarballistas and
the second ranks if there's a sense that we are part of the team in our
own way. And I think some of us at least have some value to you for
what we bring to the evaluation process that's not from the programming
community.
If we shouldn't be here, then it would be a good idea if there was a
news group. This list is now the main source of informationa about
Gnome, what's new, how to compile it, and all that. If we're just
noise here, then where do we go for advice?
--
Rebecca Ore