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In this icons thread, I've not seen anyone make the point that one can
have icons on the desktop either as supported by a file-manager shell
(such as gmc, kfm, DFM, or other like programs) or by the window manager
itself. With WindowMaker, for example, there is the ability to "dock"
icons to a floating object formerly called "fiend".
I respect all the hard work you people put into coding this and I
certainly cannot do it myself. Looking at gmc, I have to say I wonder
why the designers did not look at other programs like DFM, which are
already almost done and do the same thing. It seems to me that
grafting MC to do this job was going the hard way. The Linux Explorer
might also have been a better example to work against.
What's lacking in gmc? Little things like indicators of used and
available disk space. The selection of multiple files seems strange to
me (highlight 3, get 2).
DFM deals with the icons on the background problem by creating a "clear
layer" of objects on top of the background but underneath opened
applications, incidentally.
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> I respect all the hard work you people put into coding this and I
> certainly cannot do it myself. Looking at gmc, I have to say I wonder
> why the designers did not look at other programs like DFM, which are
> already almost done and do the same thing. It seems to me that
> grafting MC to do this job was going the hard way. The Linux Explorer
> might also have been a better example to work against.
Several reasons:
1. The file manager needs to use the Gtk toolkit and the
Gnome libraries. Any existing file manager had to be
ported to do this task.
2. Feature-wise and power-wise I have yet to see a file
manager more powerful than MC in the Linux world. Adding
desktop extensions was an easy task compared to adding the
features mc had to other file managers.
3. MC had already been ported to XView and Tk before, so the
Gtk port was just another port (it happens to be the most
clean port and the port that cleaned up a lot of the code
though).
Now, can you tell me which are those DFM features and Linux Explorer
features that you miss? Write a complete list of those and mail that
to the list.
Best wishes,
Miguel.
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Subject: GMC and Features I miss was (Re: Icons on the desktop)
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ok well I will probably get flamed for this but I miss having a tree view
ala windows explorer. It is Soooo convienient if you have to move files
around. I like to be able to sort files by size type etc. the select is mega
weird. it always selects on less than you think it is. apart from that it is
pretty cool :)
HeTTaR
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From: Miguel de Icaza <miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx>
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Subject: Re: Icons on the desktop
> I respect all the hard work you people put into coding this and I
> certainly cannot do it myself. Looking at gmc, I have to say I wonder
> why the designers did not look at other programs like DFM, which are
> already almost done and do the same thing. It seems to me that
> grafting MC to do this job was going the hard way. The Linux Explorer
> might also have been a better example to work against.
Several reasons:
1. The file manager needs to use the Gtk toolkit and the
Gnome libraries. Any existing file manager had to be
ported to do this task.
2. Feature-wise and power-wise I have yet to see a file
manager more powerful than MC in the Linux world. Adding
desktop extensions was an easy task compared to adding the
features mc had to other file managers.
3. MC had already been ported to XView and Tk before, so the
Gtk port was just another port (it happens to be the most
clean port and the port that cleaned up a lot of the code
though).
Now, can you tell me which are those DFM features and Linux Explorer
features that you miss? Write a complete list of those and mail that
to the list.
Best wishes,
Miguel.
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Subject: Re: GMC and Features I miss was (Re: Icons on the desktop)
X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur.
First of all, gmc is not finished. For a list of known items that I
want to address on the gnome port, look in mc/gnome/gnome.TODO file.
> ok well I will probably get flamed for this but I miss having a tree view
> ala windows explorer. It is Soooo convienient if you have to move files
> around.
This is on the existing TODO.
> I like to be able to sort files by size type etc.
Tried the "Window/Sort order" menu? Or just click on the column
titles.
> the select is mega weird. it always selects on less than you think
> it is. apart from that it is pretty cool :)
Yes, I know. Checkout the latest version, this has changed a little
now, it should be *a little bit* better.
Miguel.
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On Thu, 7 May 1998, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> Yes, I know. Checkout the latest version, this has changed a little
> now, it should be *a little bit* better.
The latest version eats 100% of my cpu after a minute or so, is it
supposed to do this? ;-) Seriously, is this just affecting me, or others
(I used the rpm's from gnome.org).
Chris
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> > Yes, I know. Checkout the latest version, this has changed a little
> > now, it should be *a little bit* better.
> The latest version eats 100% of my cpu after a minute or so, is it
> supposed to do this? ;-) Seriously, is this just affecting me, or others
> (I used the rpm's from gnome.org).
I had a similar problem with gmc that I solved deleting ~/desktop
You probably have a previous install.
Bit
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No, this is my first install of gnome. I deleted ~/desktop and started
gnome-session, but it still ate 100% cpu. *But* I started panel and then
gmc (not gnome-session) and things look ok now!
Chris
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Chris> No, this is my first install of gnome. I deleted ~/desktop and
Chris> started gnome-session, but it still ate 100% cpu. *But* I
Chris> started panel and then gmc (not gnome-session) and things look
Chris> ok now!
Which gnome-session did you try? It used to have a cpu-sucking bug,
but I believe that is now fixed.
If there is another one, I'd appreciate getting some idea of what it
is, or how to reproduce it. Just running gnome-session works fine for
me.
Tom
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I'm running gnome 1998050211 right now.
Again, I can run gmc and panel w/o the problem, but gnome-session shoots
up to 100%.
Chris
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Chris> I'm running gnome 1998050211 right now.
Chris> Again, I can run gmc and panel w/o the problem, but
Chris> gnome-session shoots up to 100%.
According to the ChangeLog, my bug fix for this went in on May 3.
So presumably if you get a newer version you won't see this problem
any more.
Tom
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(message from Chris Frost on Fri, 8 May 1998 06:01:01 -0500 (CDT))
Subject: Re: GMC and Features I miss was (Re: Icons on the desktop)
X-Windows: The joke that kills.
> I'm running gnome 1998050211 right now.
>
> Again, I can run gmc and panel w/o the problem, but gnome-session shoots
> up to 100%.
That is probably the source of the problem.
Isnt' t there a more recent snapshot?
Miguel.