From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Mon Oct 5 16:02:07 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["647" "Mon" "5" "October" "92" "09:58:41" "EDT" "Orest Zborowski"
"obz@raster.kodak.com " nil "12" "linux binaries for xfree86 1.1 are available"
"^From:" nil nil "10"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA26525
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:01:59 +0159
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA21122; Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:00:56 +0159
Received: from [159.56.1.20] by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA21116; Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:00:47 +0159
Received: from spitfire.raster.Kodak.COM ([129.126.252.216])
by cleo.raster.Kodak.COM with SMTP id AA02872
(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:59:27 -0400
Received: from flash.acorn by spitfire.raster.Kodak.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1)
id AA14999; Mon, 5 Oct 92 09:58:40 EDT
Received: by flash.acorn (4.1/SMI-4.1)
id AA08428; Mon, 5 Oct 92 09:58:41 EDT
Message-Id: <9210051358.AA08428@flash.acorn>
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
From: obz@raster.kodak.com (Orest Zborowski)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: linux binaries for xfree86 1.1 are available
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 09:58:41 EDT
X-Mn-Key: X11
The linux binaries for xfree86 1.1 are now available on tsx-11.mit.edu
under pub/linux/packages/xfree86-1.1. I'm giving the x11 group first crack
at the new distribution as a quick sanity check. If there are no problems
by the afternoon, then I'll post a message to the newsgroup.
By the way, please refrain from posting the private directory name to the
newsgroup. The reason for this mailing list and the private directory is
to reduce the scope of "damage", so to speak. I assume people on this
mailing list are willing to beta test packages which may not be all there,
and those on the newsgroup simply want a distribution that works.
zorst
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Tue Oct 6 22:57:08 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["1223" "Tue" "6" "October" "92" "15:49" "CDT" "Mark Horstman"
"mh2620@sarek.sbc.com " nil "40" "PS/2 style mouse not detected"
"^From:" nil nil "10"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA06143
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:57:05 +0200
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA19928; Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:49:33 +0200
Received: from texbell.sbc.com by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA19922; Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:49:27 +0200
Received: by texbell.sbc.com (Smail3.1.18)
id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:47 CDT
Received: by sarek.sbc.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.3)
id ; Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:49 CDT
Message-Id:
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
From: mh2620@sarek.sbc.com (Mark Horstman)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: PS/2 style mouse not detected
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:49 CDT
X-Mn-Key: X11
I'd like to run xfree86-1.1 but it doesn't know what kind of mouse I have.
My env:
AST 486/33 Premium II
Orchid Prodesigner IIs
NEC Multisync 4FG
Microsoft Serial - PS/2 Compatible mouse (connected to port on motherboard)
which in MS-Windows is configured as a 'Microsoft,
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Horstman Southwestern Bell Telephone
mh2620@sarek.sbc.com St. Louis, MO
or IBM PS/2'.
#ls -al /dev/mouse
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 0 Oct 6 14:23 mouse
0.97.6 used to say:
No Logitech bus mouse detected.
No PS/2 type pointing device detected.
Microsoft Bus mouse detected and installed.
And X came up with Microsoft "/dev/mouse" (although no mouse movement :-( ).
Under 0.98 (and 0.98.1) I get:
No Logitech bus mouse detected.
No PS/2 type pointing device detected.
No Microsoft Bus mouse detected.
And just for the heck of it i even tried using the minor device number of 1,
which I found in /usr/include/linux/mouse.h for PSMOUSE_MINOR:
#ls -al /dev/mouse
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 1 Oct 6 14:23 mouse
with no better results.
Can someone help out??
Mark
mh2620@sarek.sbc.com
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Thu Oct 8 00:57:50 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["1619" "Wed" "7" "October" "92" "16:59" "CDT" "Mark Horstman"
"mh2620@sarek.sbc.com " nil "41" "clocks changing" "^From:" nil nil "10"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA14703
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:57:47 +0159
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA18911; Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:57:03 +0200
Received: from texbell.sbc.com by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA18905; Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:56:58 +0159
Received: by texbell.sbc.com (Smail3.1.18)
id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:52 CDT
Received: by sarek.sbc.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.3)
id ; Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:29 CDT
Message-Id:
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
From: mh2620@sarek.sbc.com (Mark Horstman)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: clocks changing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:59 CDT
X-Mn-Key: X11
The 'clocks' values reported by my X server vary with according to what
kernel I use and what values *try* to use for my mouse (I still don't
have that working). Is this normal?
My env:
AST 486/33 Premium II
16MB RAM
200MB IDE hard (two of them actually)
3.5 floppy
5.25 floppy
Microsoft Serial - PS/2 Compatible mouse in mouse port on mother board.
Orchid Prodesigner IIs w/1MB
NEC MultiSync 4FG
Linux 0.97.6, 0.98, 0.98.1
I'm using Xconfig.sample and changing ONLY the mouse stuff.
I've already asked for help on my mouse problem (and got a number of
responses) but I've yet to resolve it. Maybe some can give me some
pointers with a little bit more on what I've tried...
I got the minor values from /usr/include/linux/mouse.h, /dev/mouse was
created during my mcc-interim installation so I used the same major.
# ls -al /dev/*mouse
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 0 Oct 6 14:23 /dev/mouse
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 2 Oct 7 08:13 /dev/msbusmouse
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 1 Oct 6 13:52 /dev/ps2mouse
0.97.6 0.98 (&.1)
------ ----------
Microsoft "/dev/mouse" X starts, no mouse X won't start, can't open mouse
Microsoft "/dev/msbusmouse" X starts, no mouse "
Microsoft "/dev/ps2mouse" X won't start, can't open mouse "
Busmouse "/dev/mouse" X starts, no mouse "
Busmouse "/dev/msbusmouse" X starts, no mouse "
Busmouse "/dev/ps2mouse" X won't start, can't open mouse "
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Fri Oct 9 15:59:04 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["1912" "" "09" "October" "1992" "09:55:30" "-0400"
"Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga" "zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.EDU " nil "53"
"XFree86-1.1 and tty wierdness." "^From:" nil nil "10"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA25858
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:58:59 +0159
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA27208; Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:54:58 +0159
Received: from ucbeh.san.uc.edu by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA27183; Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:54:18 +0200
Received: from ucunix.san.uc.edu by UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU (PMDF #2697 ) id
<01GPQODEFIFK8WWLFX@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:56:10 EST
Received: by ucunix.san.uc.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA25132; Fri,
9 Oct 92 09:55:30 -0400
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
Reply-To: zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.EDU
Message-Id: <9210091355.AA25132@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
X-Envelope-To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
From: zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: XFree86-1.1 and tty wierdness.
Date: 09 Oct 1992 09:55:30 -0400 (EDT)
X-Mn-Key: X11
I recently set up XFree86-1.1 on my linux system. It's working, but
almost every time I start it up I get a hung xterm. The window shows,
but I never get a prompt. The other xterms and programs seem to be
working ok.
Configuration:
386SX-20
4 MB RAM
4 MB swap partition
Everex Standard VGA card
Dexxa 2 button mouse, microsoft mode.
linux 0.98pl1, no modifications.
root and /usr are extfs 0.8 partitions.
My .xinitrc reads:
{ include the stuff for xmodmap and xrdb }
twm &
xclock -geometry 50x50-1+1 &
xterm -geometry 80x25+200+51 &
x11emacs -geometry 80x25+200-0 & # it happens even if I take this line out.
exec xterm -geometry 80x25+100-0
After I log out I see the following messages on the console:
XFree86 Version 1.1 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
Configured drivers:
VGA2 (monochrome VGA):
et4000, et3000, pvga1, gvga, tvga8900, generic
VGA2: generic (mem: 64k (using 64k) numclocks: 2)
VGA2: clocks: 25 28
waiting for X server to shut down XIO: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X ser
ver ":0.0"
after 3947 requests (3934 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient.
tty_select: tty struct for dev 128 was NULL
tty_select: tty struct for dev 128 was NULL
tty_select: tty struct for dev 128 was NULL
.xterm: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"
XIO: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server ":0.0"
after 47 requests (38 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient.
tty_release: TTY_TABLE(128) was NULL
.
xinit: Interrupted system call (errno 4): Client error.
Any clues?
--
Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Dept. of Physiology & Biophysics University of Cincinnati
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Fri Oct 9 17:21:29 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["495" "" "09" "October" "1992" "11:21:44" "-0400"
"Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga" "zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.EDU " nil "10"
"Re: XFree86-1.1 and tty wierdness." "^From:" nil nil "10"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA26534
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:21:27 +0200
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA28954; Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:21:07 +0200
Received: from ucbeh.san.uc.edu by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA28942; Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:20:58 +0159
Received: from ucunix.san.uc.edu by UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU (PMDF #2697 ) id
<01GPQRDGTSF48WWKLM@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>; Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:22:32 EST
Received: by ucunix.san.uc.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00217; Fri,
9 Oct 92 11:21:45 -0400
In-Reply-To: <9210091504.AA06093@flash.acorn>; from "Orest Zborowski" at Oct 9,
92 11:04 am
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
Reply-To: zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.EDU
Message-Id: <9210091521.AA00217@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
X-Envelope-To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
From: zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: Re: XFree86-1.1 and tty wierdness.
Date: 09 Oct 1992 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT)
X-Mn-Key: X11
Orest Zborowski wrote:
> The messages about bad tty struct may imply that you either have a bad set
> of tty/pty pairs, or that you didn't configure your kernel with enough ptys
> to satisfy the requests.
I'll look into the devices, but I thought the new (0.98.1) kernel
automagically allocated pty/tty pairs. Maybe the problem is here?
--
Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Dept. of Physiology & Biophysics University of Cincinnati
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Sat Oct 10 04:51:46 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["703" "Fri" "9" "October" "92" "22:51:30" "-0400" "Theodore Ts'o"
"tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU " nil "17" "Re: XFree86-1.1 and tty wierdness."
"^From:" nil nil "10"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA29207
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:51:43 +0200
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA12773; Sat, 10 Oct 92 04:51:28 +0200
Received: from TSX-11.MIT.EDU by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA12766; Sat, 10 Oct 92 04:51:23 +0200
Received: by tsx-11.MIT.EDU
with sendmail-5.61/1.2, id AA05764; Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:51:30 -0400
Message-Id: <9210100251.AA05764@tsx-11.MIT.EDU>
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
In-Reply-To: Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga's message of 09 Oct 1992 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT),
<9210091521.AA00217@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
Address: 1 Amherst St., Cambridge, MA 02139
Phone: (617) 253-8091
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: Re: XFree86-1.1 and tty wierdness.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:51:30 -0400
Cc: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Mn-Key: X11
Date: 09 Oct 1992 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga)
Orest Zborowski wrote:
> The messages about bad tty struct may imply that you either have a bad set
> of tty/pty pairs, or that you didn't configure your kernel with enough ptys
> to satisfy the requests.
I'll look into the devices, but I thought the new (0.98.1) kernel
automagically allocated pty/tty pairs. Maybe the problem is here?
Yup; there's a bug there.... the patches in /pub/linux/ALPHA/serial on
tsx-11 fix it --- there's a race condition that wasn't properly handled.
The error message isn't all that serious, so you could just ignore for
now, though.
- Ted
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Fri Oct 16 23:39:46 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["1217" "Fri" "16" "October" "1992" "23:38:09" "+0200"
"Dirk Hohndel" "hohndel@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de" nil "37"
"Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached" "^From:" nil nil "10"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA01091
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:39:41 +0200
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA04643; Fri, 16 Oct 92 23:39:27 +0200
Received: from funet.fi by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA04637; Fri, 16 Oct 92 23:39:24 +0200
X400-Received: by mta funet.fi in /ADMD=fumail/C=fi/; Relayed;
Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:39:26 +0200
X400-Received: by /PRMD=GmD/ADMD=DbP/C=DE/; Relayed;
Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:38:19 +0200
X400-Received: by /PRMD=uni-wuerzburg/ADMD=dbp/C=de/; Relayed;
Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:38:09 +0200
X400-Originator: hohndel@winx13.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de
X400-Recipients: linux-activists@niksula.hut.fi
X400-Mts-Identifier:
[/PRMD=uni-wuerzburg/ADMD=dbp/C=de/;719271502@wrzx01.rz.uni-wuerzbur]
X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2)
Content-Identifier: Xlib: Maximu...
Message-Id: <9210162138.AA22096@winx13.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2]
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 1219
From: Dirk Hohndel
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:38:09 +0200
X-Mn-Key: X11
Hi
after running X for a while and doing a bit of work (maybe 10-15 windows at a
time, all of them over TCP/IP, even the window manager is running remotely)
something strange happens.
When I try to open a new window, say start a program that opens its own
window, I get the message
Xlib: connection to "asterix:0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached
can't open DISPLAY
I have had two or three additional windows before which are gone,
sometimes I start a program and it works, I leave it and try again to start
it and this error occurs :-(
BUT
when I close one open window, still the same happens !!
after closing the second window, things work well again.
Where does this error come from, can I increase the maximum number of
clients, why do I have to delete two windows to get one new displayed... ?
Lots of questions...
Config: 486/33 8MB RAM + 16MB swap, 0.98 without SCSI but with TCP/IP
Xfree86-1.1 aka X11v2.1
remote clients running on a SUN on the local net via a WD8013E
Any comments/spoilers/help ??
Dirk
--
hohndel@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Dirk Hohndel)
Lehrstuhl Informatik I, Universitaet Wuerzburg, Am Hubland, D-8700 Wuerzburg
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Tue Oct 20 14:17:22 1992
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA22782
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Tue, 20 Oct 1992 14:17:19 +0200
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA19004; Tue, 20 Oct 92 14:16:08 +0200
Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA18997; Tue, 20 Oct 92 14:15:54 +0159
Received: from pooh by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (5.65/UNC_08_21_92)
id AA20017; Tue, 20 Oct 92 08:16:02 -0400
Received: by pooh.cs.unc.edu (5.65/UNC_02-28-90)
id AA04865; Tue, 20 Oct 92 08:15:58 -0400
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 08:15:58 -0400
From: Timothy Cullip
Message-Id: <9210201215.AA04865@pooh.cs.unc.edu>
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
Subject: X11, Trident 8900C, odd 1024x768 behavior
X-Mn-Key: X11
I've got X11 working (from the SLS distribution) on my Trident 8900C very
well in 640x480, and 800x600 modes, but I'm having a heck of a time
with 1024x768.
My monitor (Supercom SV1485) is only capable of interlace at this
high resolution (35.3 kHz horizontal, 87 Hz vertical [per field, not
frame], with a total of 45 MHz bandwidth - yes it's a cheap monitor, but
at least it is 0.28mm dot pitch and it gives good clean images).
If I have a mode line like:
"1024x768" 45 1024 1040 1208 1264 768 769 777 817
it gives me a stable image that flickers significantly. Notice in the
above line that I didn't specify "Interlace" flag.
If I give:
"1024x768" 45 1024 1040 1208 1264 768 769 777 817 Interlace
the X server runs, but I get an unstable image (rolling vertically and
it looks like multiple vertical images would be present even if the rolling
could be stopped). Making adjustments to the various values above doesn't
help.
After some experimentation I came up with the a rather bizzare mode:
"1024x768" 45 1024 1040 1208 1264 384 385 390 409 Interlace
it puts up an image that looks identical to the first mode listed
above except absolutely no discernable flicker! It's great looking, so
what is my problem: whenever I try to move the mouse pointer below the
half screen point (greater than line 384) the virtual screen capability
of the X server kicks in and the screen pans up! I guess this isn't
too surprising since I'm essentially telling the system that I only have
384 vertical lines, but it's displaying all 768 just fine - and it allows
me to place windows below the 384 line point of the virtual screen.
/*** Note this guess was based upon an example in the modeDB.txt file
that gave one monitor's example as (approximately, from memory):
"1024x768i" 45 1024 1040 1208 1264 768 385 390 409 Interlace
But this didn't work for me.
***/
So my questions are:
1) Why would the first listing above work if my monitor can only handle
interlace at 1024? It seems as though I'm not specifying interlace, but
it is doing the right thing. The flicker seems the same as when I used
to have Windows3 running at 1024x768 mode (forgive me for my past sins).
It's not so much as to make me think something is wrong, but it is enough
to make me not want to use it. Note if I decrease it to about 650 lines,
the total refresh rate increases (still 45 MHz clock) and the flicker is
almost nill. I could live with this, but I'd like a full 768 lines if possible.
2) Why doesn't the second listing work?
3) Why does the 3rd listing give me a great 1024x768 image? And how could
I convince the system to give me this great looking image and still allow
the mouse to move past half screen without panning the virtual screen?
It seems like everything about X is convinced I have a 768 line screen except
the virtual screen panning portion.
4) Is there a way to supress the virtual screen panning?
NOTE: in all cases I had:
Virtual 1024x768
if I tried to change this to:
Virtual 1024x384
only the first 384 lines of the image would be displayed.
Tim Cullip
cullip@cs.unc.edu
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Thu Oct 22 21:37:26 1992
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA09776
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Thu, 22 Oct 1992 21:37:24 +0200
Received: by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA09442; Thu, 22 Oct 92 21:35:57 +0159
Received: from spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com by joker.cs.hut.fi (5.65b/6.8/S-TeKoLa)
id AA09436; Thu, 22 Oct 92 21:35:52 +0159
Received: by spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (911016.SGI/1.34.a)
id AA11382; Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:21:27 -0600
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:21:27 -0600
From: hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Stephen Camp)
Message-Id: <9210221921.AA11382@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com>
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
Subject: linux, X11, 8514, and ATI ultra's, etc
X-Mn-Key: X11
Sorry, all. That last post had all sorts of tabs in it. Here it is cleaned
up.
---------------------
X-Mn-Key: X11
Introduction:
I am hoping to get linux on my Gateway 2000 386/25 soon. Currently I am
running Interactive Unix 3.0 w/ X11r4 and am using a Hercules GraphicStation
(60Mhz TI 304010 cpu, 1MB VRAM/2MB DRAM) and AGE-Logic's Xoftware 2.0
for the X11r4 server. I am very pleased with the X performance, but have
not seen an 8514 server some of which claim 85000 Xstones. Anyways, I am
interested in learning about the guts of operating systems and drivers
in particular. Also, I am interested in high performance graphics. As
a result, i am interested in learning about X drivers, particularly for
8514 boards. (I would love to create free drivers for 340x0 boards, but
don't have the $1500 for the TI SDK (Software Developers Kit)... plus
I don't think many people have these sorts of boards... Is there anyone
out there? with 340x0 boards that would like free X?)
Having said all that... (OBTW, there is an appendix at the end of this
letter summarizing what i have learned about
ATI's Ultra line.)
Question #1: What would you purchase for a high performance graphics card
that is also 8514/A compatible given the following prices:
1) ATI Graphics Vantage - $215
2) ATI Graphics Ultra (x MB) - $225
3) ATI Graphics Ultra + (1MB) - $299
4) ATI Graphics Ultra + (2MB) - $340
5) ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (1MB) - $499
6) ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (2MB) - $549
7) other...?
Question #2: Has anyone benchmarked either the S3 X11 server being developed
or the X8514 (alpha release) server? And if so, what are the
results?
The following are Windows 3.1 benchmarks:
Graphics Board WINMARKS
--------------------------------
Graphics Ultra 8-10 x 10^6
S3 boards 7-9 x 10^6
Graphics Ultra + 21 x 10^6
Graphics Ultra Pro 25 x 10^6
Question #3: Can we expect that X11 performance differences on different boards
to be similar to the Windows 3.1 marks?
Question #4: If the 8514 performance of the Ultra +/Pro does not scale
as the above winmarks... i.e. 8514 performance of the Ultra,
Ultra +, and Ultra Pro is all about the same... one would think
that for X8514, the Graphics Ultra is sufficient. If so,
what are peoples opinions concerning X8514 (using Ultra) vs
XS3 (using S3 boards) ?
I have learned the following about ATI's Graphics Ultra line:
Model Processor Price Comments
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
8514/Ultra ?? $268 (1) Oldest Ultra board; No built-in VGA
Graphics Vantage ?? $215 (1) Built-in SVGA; 8514/A compatible
Graphics Ultra Mach8 $225 (2) Original Ultra; Is this still being
produced?
Graphics Ultra + Mach32 $299 1MB (1) Uses DRAM; 1280x1024 requires
$340 2MB (1) 2MB and is interlaced;
ATI Tech Support, as of 10/22/92,
said that the Ultra + had not
yet been released!
Graphics Ultra Pro Mach32 $449 1MB (3) Uses VRAM; 1280x1024 requires
$549 2MB (3) 2MB and is non-interlaced;
Shipping as of 10/22/92.
Notes: (1) Price from CDW (Computer Discount Warehouse) in Chicago
(2) Price from Gateway 2K A-Team Enhancement Sales (800)252-3333
(3) Price from CDW, but from memory - I'm not sure this is exact,
but think it's pretty close
Other Notes:
Mach8 Programmers Kit available for $50. The Kit describes the
Mach8 registers, both proprietary registers and 8514/A registers.
Mach32 Programmers Kit not released yet, but ATI Tech Support said
they expect that one will be released. No time frame given.
Ultra + not released yet. ATI Tech Support said they didn't know if
the UltraCad AutoCad drivers would be sold with the Ultra + or not.
This point is confusing because the Ultra Pro is being sold with the
UltraCad drivers. The nice thing about UltraCad apparently is that
it uses a 32bit display list. (The Mach32 executes (or can execute)
32bit intstructions.) One would think that the Ultra + would be able
to use the UltraCad drivers since it too has a Mach32 processor, but
the point is unclear, and the Ultra + is not released yet - or so says
ATI tech support on Thursday morning 10/22/92.
Steve Camp
(303)971-4379
hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta Launch Systems
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Fri Nov 27 05:26:35 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["1656" "Fri" "27" "November" "1992" "05:22:47" "+0200"
"Shannon Hendrix" "shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU " nil "41" "new system..."
"^From:" nil nil "11"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA06018
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Fri, 27 Nov 1992 05:26:28 +0200
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by niksula.hut.fi id <61668-4>;
Fri, 27 Nov 1992 05:26:20 +0200
Received: from PCS.CNU.EDU ([137.155.2.10])
by niksula.hut.fi with SMTP id <61621-2>; Fri, 27 Nov 1992 05:25:30 +0200
Received: from columbia.PCS.CNU.EDU (columbia.pcs.cnc.edu)
by PCS.CNU.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1)
id AA20018; Thu, 26 Nov 92 22:23:04 EST
Message-Id: <9211270323.AA20018@PCS.CNU.EDU>
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: normal' to your mail body or header
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU (Shannon Hendrix)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: new system...
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1992 05:22:47 +0200
X-Mn-Key: X11
I just installed the New Linux SLS .98pl5. It installed
flawlessly and works pretty good. Lots of bugs are gone now
and it works much better overall than the previous version.
Alas, now X won't start! First of all, the version now
supplied with Linux SLS is a little different. Seems very
strict about the Xconfig file. I had to change my old one.
I had Xfree 1.0 now my screen says Xfree 1.0y.
I've tried logging errors but the system dies and only
the 3-fingered salute will unhang it. X seems to start but
after going into graphics mode, it just sits there. I
redirected stderr to my printer but it didn't print anything
out. My printer works fine, I've been using Ghostscript to
print stuff out now and its great.
Also, my mouse no longer works with the test program.
It was working before as Microsoft on /dev/ttys0. Now it won't
work on any of them.
The only error I get is when Linux boots. It says my
network card at I/O 228 didn't respond. I don't have one so that
is to be expected.
I've scanned FAQ's and readme's but didn't see much to
help so I figured someone else must have had this happen or know
where some helpful info would be. Here is some info:
33mhz 386DX, 8meg RAM, 8meg swap, IDE hard drive,
extended file system (seems to be fine), and I have
removed SCSI support from the kernel. I will axe
TCP/IP next.
=====================================================
Shannon Hendrix |shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu
Christopher Newport University |---------------------
Newport News, VA |** space for rent **
=====================================================
From owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi Fri Dec 25 11:50:19 1992
Status: RO
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
["628" "Fri" "25" "December" "1992" "11:49:51" "+0200"
"\"Linux Activists\"" "linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi" nil "29"
"Linux-Activists - Channel X11 digest. 92-11-25-8:20" "^From:" nil nil "12"])
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by hutcs.cs.hut.fi with SMTP id AA06970
(5.65c8/HUTCS-S 1.4 for ); Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:50:17 +0200
Received: from joker.cs.hut.fi by niksula.hut.fi id <61896-1>;
Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:49:54 +0200
Reply-To: "Linux-Activists"
X-Note1: Remember to put 'X-Mn-Key: X11' to your mail body or header
Sender: owner-linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Message-Id: <92Dec25.114954eet.61896-1@niksula.hut.fi>
From: "Linux Activists"
To: "Linux-Activists"
Subject: Linux-Activists - Channel X11 digest. 92-11-25-8:20
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 11:49:51 +0200
X-Mn-Key: X11
Topics:
Where are the X 2.1 sources?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: adam@netcom.com (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Where are the X 2.1 sources?
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 09:43:23 +0200
Could somebody please point me to the sources (mostly diffs, I
imagine) for the latest Xfree release and the changes for the 2.1
release under Linux (mostly just the shared library stuff, I imagine)?
Oddly enough, I don't see the sources at any of the usual Linux FTP
sites.
--Adam J. Richter (adam@netcom.com)
------------------------------
End of X11 Digest
*****************
-------