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From: obz@raster.kodak.com (Orest Zborowski)
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Subject: XFree86-1.0Ya
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i have received numerous mailings about the latest xfree86 offering i've
placed on tsx-11. here are a few notes that i hope clarify things:
o the package is beta. the real release will be of xfree86 1.1, due out
about oct 3. currently people are testing out the server which will be
this release and it looks fine so far.
i imagine i'll switch the naming to be xfree86 1.1 just so there is
no confusion, and since the binaries will have been created from the
stock xfree86 1.1 release, which includes linux.
o the package is available on tsx-11.mit.edu under
pub/linux/packages/X11/private/xfree86-1.0Ya, but you'll need to
obtain fonts, etc from the x11v2.0 directory in the same location.
o the large bin package was broken down into three pieces. it is not
three separate parts. i wish i had made that clearer. same goes for
the xfree86 1.0Ya stuff, where i used letters, thinking it was more
intuitive.
o there is a bug on the root disk. the console device has the major
number of 4 and minor number of 1, which is /dev/tty1. it should be
(4,0), which is /dev/tty0 (the "current" vt). since i haven't
upgraded to a new rootdisk since 0.12, i didn't notice. please make
the adjustment and notify your favorite root disk provider. symptoms
of this are that the keyboard is dead.
o the static libs are in /usr/X386/lib. the "jump" libs are in
/usr/X386/lib/jump. they are called jump although they are really
classic format - too much trouble to untangle the data to create
pure jump libs. i thought that using -L/usr/X386/lib was enough
to cause gcc to search in that directory for static and shared
libs but hlu has told me that's not the case. to use the shared
libs you'll need to make symlinks to the regular jump directory
from the /usr/X386/lib/jump subdirectory. i don't really like it
this way but hlu does. changing your config to include
-L/usr/X386/lib/jump is not a good idea because you won't be
able to control static vs nonstatic that way - gcc can't tell
the difference between these libs.
i hope this answers a lot of the questions. as there have not been any
earth shattering mass failures, i expect the binary distribution of
xfree86 1.1 to happen sometime over the weekend.
zorst
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From: David Engel
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Subject: Re: XFree86-1.0Ya
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> o the static libs are in /usr/X386/lib. the "jump" libs are in
> /usr/X386/lib/jump. they are called jump although they are really
> classic format - too much trouble to untangle the data to create
> pure jump libs. i thought that using -L/usr/X386/lib was enough
> to cause gcc to search in that directory for static and shared
> libs but hlu has told me that's not the case. to use the shared
> libs you'll need to make symlinks to the regular jump directory
> from the /usr/X386/lib/jump subdirectory. i don't really like it
> this way but hlu does. changing your config to include
> -L/usr/X386/lib/jump is not a good idea because you won't be
> able to control static vs nonstatic that way - gcc can't tell
> the difference between these libs.
Perhaps it's time to modify ld to support the -static/-nojump options
directly instead of having gcc handle them. What do you think H.J.?
David
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(214) 234-6400 Richardson, TX 75081
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:48:37 PDT
Cc: obz@raster.kodak.com (Orest Zborowski),
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>
> > o the static libs are in /usr/X386/lib. the "jump" libs are in
> > /usr/X386/lib/jump. they are called jump although they are really
> > classic format - too much trouble to untangle the data to create
> > pure jump libs. i thought that using -L/usr/X386/lib was enough
> > to cause gcc to search in that directory for static and shared
> > libs but hlu has told me that's not the case. to use the shared
> > libs you'll need to make symlinks to the regular jump directory
> > from the /usr/X386/lib/jump subdirectory. i don't really like it
> > this way but hlu does. changing your config to include
> > -L/usr/X386/lib/jump is not a good idea because you won't be
> > able to control static vs nonstatic that way - gcc can't tell
> > the difference between these libs.
>
> Perhaps it's time to modify ld to support the -static/-nojump options
> directly instead of having gcc handle them. What do you think H.J.?
>
I am not so sure. Since X386 is not the only package Linux is going to
have, I don't see a strong reason we have to modify ld for just that.
If people are really interested, I can provide a `specs' for it. It
will be good enough.
BTW, I am still running my own old X11 v2.0. I haven't got time to
download the real thing. I am still thinking I should wait for the
official version.
H.J.
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----------specs------
*asm:
*asm_final:
*cpp:
*cc1:
*cc1plus:
*endfile:
*link:
*lib:
%{g*:-lg} %{!g*:%{!p:%{!pg:-lc}}%{p:-lgmon -lc_p}%{pg:-lgmon -lc_p}}
*startfile:
%{g*:crt0.o%s} %{!g*:%{pg:gcrt0.o%s} %{!pg:%{p:gcrt0.o%s} %{!p:crt0.o%s
%{!static:%{nojump:-L/usr/lib/shlib/nojump} %{!nojump:-L/usr/lib/shlib/
jump -L/usr/X386/lib/jump}} %{static:-L/usr/X386/lib}}}}
*switches_need_spaces:
*signed_char:
%{funsigned-char:-D__CHAR_UNSIGNED__}
*predefines:
-Dunix -Di386 -Dlinux
*cross_compile:
0
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From: David Engel
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Subject: Re: XFree86-1.0Ya
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:50:41 CDT
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> > Perhaps it's time to modify ld to support the -static/-nojump options
> > directly instead of having gcc handle them. What do you think H.J.?
>
> I am not so sure. Since X386 is not the only package Linux is going to
> have, I don't see a strong reason we have to modify ld for just that.
> If people are really interested, I can provide a `specs' for it. It
> will be good enough.
No, you misunderstand. I am thinking of the way Sun's linker works.
When -lx is specified, ld looks for the library in each directory
specified with -Ldir (the same as other linkers). However, when
-Bstatic is not specified, ld first looks for a shared library named
libx.sa.* before looking for a normal library named libx.a. When
-Bstatic is specified, ld does not look for the shared version.
What I am proposing is that we modify the specs file so gcc does not
do anything special with -static/-nojump options but simply passes
them on to ld. We then modify ld to first look for a jump-table lib
named libx.sa, then a classic, shared lib named libx.ca and finally a
normal lib named libx.a, in that order. The -static/-nojump options
would be used to tell ld not to look for the shared libs.
This way, we don't have to change the library path when we switch
library styles or change the specs file when we add a new library
package. All we have to do is specify a single library directory and
add/remove the appropriate -static/-nojump option. For example, to
link with the shared X libs, we would specify -L/usr/X386/lib and for
the static X libs, we would specify -static -L/usr/X386/lib.
David
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Subject: XFree86-1.0Ya + Trident 8900c
X-Mn-Key: X11
Hi guys,
Just to let people know:
I have had 1.0Y working with a Trident 8900c based card, and used both
the mono and colour servers.
Equipment: Cheap (absolutely no-name. Not even a copyright in the manual)
8900c Trident card, 1Mb memory.
Cheap (CA&G 1460) monitor, fixed frequency handling.
Can cope with 1024x768 interlaced.
Running on a not-quite so cheap 486SX, 4Mb, 8Mb Swap.
Kernel: 0.97pl4
Performance: (all subjective) Pretty good on both servers.
There doesn't seem to be much degradation to performance
in using the colour server over the mono.
I have also compiled up the olvwm window manager, which required a few changes
to the source on tsx-11.
After a lot of hassle where absolutely nothing would get displayed on
the screen (but I could still execute commands), I finally got it to
work by:
1) Changing nothing in the "vga2" section, except the
allowed modes.
2) Adding the chipset specification of "tvga8900@ to the "vga256" section,
and adding to the allowed modes. I do not have a "clocks"
specification here.
3) Adding the following mode definitions:
640x480 25 640 680 776 800 480 491 493 525
800x600 36 800 848 920 1024 600 601 603 625
1024x768i 45 1024 1064 1224 1264 768 777 785 817 interlace
The 640x480 mode spec works for both servers.
Now, with the colour server, I originally had the problem that nothing
would appear on the screen. Well, maybe just my reflection....
After reading the man pages, I tried adding "+hsync" or "-hsync"
to the flags field, as appeared appropriate from my display manual.
Hey presto it all worked. Take them away again, and it still worked!
Strange things....
Note that when I tried to add both [+-]hsync and [+-]vsync, the X server
gave up with some error regarding these flags. I couldn't really follow
what it meant anyway.
Now I have one problem with the 1024 X 768 mode:
I know my monitor can only deal with this resolution when interlaced, so I
added the "interlace" flag. When I swap to this mode, I get the
desktop appearing about 1.5 time, with a block (of about 3cm height)
of squeare-patterned grey noise between the two copies of the desktop.
So, I experimented by trying to remove the interlace flag, and using that,
it kind of works. After fiddling with the position/size controls
on the monitor, I can see that I am getting almost all of the desktop,
with slight cropping around the sides. It flickers to quite an extent,
but I expect some at this resolution.
Can anyone explain why I can't seem to get the thing to display correctly
with the interlace flag? The timing tutorials don't cover this subject:)
Another question - how can I get the clocks information back out of the
server, once it has started up?
So, if anyone has answers, or needs help, please feel free to e-mail
Mike
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From: dlbb0@diag.amdahl.com (David Black)
To: linux-activists@joker.cs.hut.fi
Subject: X11v2.0 questions
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 4:40:08 PDT
X-Mn-Key: X11
Hi, I've been using x11v2.0 for a few weeks now, and find it usable and
an improvement over previous versions. But there have been some odd
behaviors which have surfaced which I'd like to know if have been
addressed:
- After initially starting xdm (like after reboot), logging in
and back out twice leaves the server in a wild video mode.
This cycles back to normal with two more login/logouts.
I've seen these strange video modes when experimenting with
clock indices which aren't on my card (like past number 16)...
- X386mono won't run with my vga256 resolution settings,
complains about not enough memory for requested virtual size.
It will start up in 640x480 with some coaxing but is mostly
scrambled on the screen. So it's basically not usable. My
video card is an ET4000AX-based board which works beautifully
with the color server.
- In the server kit, there is a cbrk.o file somebody wants and
it doesn't seem to be around. (Resolution of _cbrk reference.)
The path to is ddx//cbrk.o. Prevents linking of
new servers.
- Actually since X386 v1.2, some games (acm and xpilot
to name two) don't draw the screen correctly. It appears as if
the correct drawing order of objects is reversed, which results
a lot of flickering at best, and blank screen at worst.
- A friend and I have been working on getting xpilot to run and
find that X is barfing on XEventQueue or similar call. Basically
something that should work but doesn't. We're going to try and
synthesize a similar function to get around this if no other
solution comes our way.
I just joined the list, so I apologize if these are well-known problems.
In any case, help is requested. Thanks!
Dave